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Premiums Paid for 100 Ounce Silver Bars – Seeking Alpha

By: Michael Zielinski 8 Stock Portfolio.com

There has been much recent coverage of the rising premiums being paid to purchase physical gold and silver bullion. This has been cited as a consequence of the extreme demand for precious metals and evidence of the growing disconnect between market prices and physical prices.

I decided to look at some data to calculate exactly what kind of premiums are being paid and see if any trend or patterns in the data could be determined.

Specifically, I looked at selling prices for 100 ounce silver bars on eBay (EBAY). I decided to use this as a source of data since 100 ounce silver bars have historically been a low premium method to acquire silver.  Also, bars of silver are relatively undifferentiated. Bullion coins from different countries or with different dates often carry premiums based on those differences.

I used eBay data because it was accessible. Completed auction records can be obtained for the prior two weeks or more. Also, I believe that eBay represents a real time, liquid market of buyers and sellers who discover prices through a bidding process. Quoted dealer prices may be for delivery at a later date and may not represent actual available supplies.

There are some possible flaws with this method. It does not take into account potential premiums for different manufacturers. I don’t know if people pay more for different makes of bars. Also, shipping costs are not included in the price data used. Some auctions may carry higher shipping charges which would impact the final selling prices. And lastly, some auctions were “true auctions” which start at a minimal opening bid while others were fixed price listings.

Data was available from October 13 to yesterday’s date. I did not include data for yesterday or October 13, since it may represent partial data. I determined the average price for each day’s auctions which closed with a sale. I compared this to the closing market price of silver for each day.

Here is a summary of the data:

Average Price for 100 Ounce Silver Bars on eBay Compared to Market Price of Silver

Date Bars Sold Ave Price Market Price Premium Premium %
14-Oct 12 $1,557.17 $10.89 $468.17 42.99%
15-Oct 10 $1,524.70 $10.92 $432.70 39.62%
16-Oct 29 $1,465.07 $9.99 $466.07 46.65%
17-Oct 19 $1,427.68 $9.56 $471.68 49.34%
18-Oct 28 $1,422.00 $9.56 $466.00 48.74%
19-Oct 46 $1,419.04 $9.56 $463.04 48.44%
20-Oct 21 $1,431.76 $9.79 $452.76 46.25%
21-Oct 17 $1,391.94 $9.86 $405.94 41.17%
22-Oct 19 $1,428.11 $9.84 $444.11 45.13%
23-Oct 25 $1,382.84 $9.34 $448.84 48.06%
24-Oct 37 $1,367.78 $8.88 $479.78 54.03%
25-Oct 13 $1,389.31 $8.88 $501.31 56.45%
26-Oct 33 $1,329.91 $8.88 $441.91 49.76%
27-Oct 15 $1,337.33 $9.01 $436.33 48.43%


Some charts based on this data appear below. The data is only for a limited time frame, but it does spur some interesting observations (click to enlarge images).

The premium paid for a 100 ounce silver bar has ranged from 39.62% to 56.45%. The premium represents the amount paid in excess of the so-called “market price” of silver. People are clearly paying astounding premiums to acquire physical silver.

On October 15 and 22, the market price of silver dropped. In each instance this caused the percentage premium to rise. This lends some evidence to the anecdotal observation that a decline in market price only spurs greater demand for the physical metal.

Two distinct prices for silver seem to exist. The paper price for the contractual right to acquire future silver, and the physical price to acquire real silver, in hand. How and when will this situation resolve itself?

There have been several recent reports of bullion buyers seeking to take physical delivery of silver and gold from the COMEX. This would allow buyers to purchase real silver at the heretofore “fictional” paper price. If these deliveries take place and become a dependable source of purchasing physical silver, premiums for 100 ounce bars and other physical silver would likely begin to subside.

On the other hand, some are voicing the possibility that since the COMEX only has small coverage of physical metal for outstanding contacts, if enough contact holders demand delivery they will be forced to default and settle in cash. If this occurs, the likely result would be soaring market prices for silver and potentially greater premiums as the argument for physical scarcity gains another leg of support.

Disclosure: Author owns physical gold and silver.

This article has 9 comments:

Oct 30 07:52 AM

That was a very nice, simple, understandable analysis. I’m a little curious as to whether this is actually becoming the same problem as naked shorting. Basically for the market prices, it includes a significant amount of repeated selling of product that the seller doesn’t own.
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  • Oct 30 07:57 AM

    Premiums have been steadily rising all summer on all forms of silver. For silver eagles is it now around 80-90%. However, some dealers do occasionally have silver available for immediate delivery and it is still possible to buy it at a lower premium from them.

    All manufacturers are not equal. Bulliondirect’s nucleo auction site has Engelhard and JM bars for about a 50% premium but other brands at 36% premium. Last week there were 200 bars auctioned at seekbullion.com. Historical data is not available but I seem to remember a premium of about 30-35% for Engelhard bars. This morning Apmex has them for about a 30% premium for delivery in 4 weeks. That is not immediate, but they are reputable and I have bought from them frequently.

    Ebay may be an easy place to check the prices but it is not the only place to look and it is not the first place I look when trying to buy. Plus, their fees are ridiculous (up to 15%) so it is not a good place to judge what you could sell your silver for. Other sites produce more reliable data.

    I do agree with you about the high premiums, but don’t think they are uniformly as high as you claim.

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  • Oct 30 08:02 AM

    Nice piece, though the “fictional” Silver or Gold price is available to who have the sufficient capital to take delivery from the Comex. So not really fictional just limited access. The more people who take advantage of this price decrepancy the less supply will be available and the faster our profits will rise

    Also various Precious Metal PM dealers are buying 1000 oz silver bars from the comex and selling them individually. Tulving.com is selling 1000 oz Silver bars at a 7% premium or .69 over spot. Although the US Silver Eagles are going for 6.99 over spot about 70% premium with other silver items having premiums from 25% on up. The Smart money is selling Gold and Buying Silver as you can get almost 80 oz Silver for 1 oz Gold. Trade back when the ratio reaches 40 or 20. At 20 Gold to Silver ratio you would then receive 4 oz Gold for your 80 oz Silver. A nice 400% gain and you got to keep your PM’s the whole time.

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  • Oct 30 08:21 AM

    I don’t think we will see a ratio of 20 again in our lifetime. But I agree with the principal. I plan on trading some of my silver for gold when it gets back back below 50. Until them I am holding about 3 times as much silver as gold.
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  • Oct 30 09:06 AM

    Nice article Mike. Thank you!

    I’m continuing to buy silver and gold as I find it.

    Hey, sakata, WHERE do you look FIRST when you are buying? Thanks.

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  • Oct 30 09:12 AM

    Bulion Direct is my favorite but they rarely have anything any more. Apmex is my second choice but they also rarely have much. Bullion is just getting hard to find anymore. Seekbullion is a new auction site which is much better than Ebay but it is just getting started and you have to be a dealer to sell there right now.
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  • Oct 30 09:12 AM

    I have the JM 100 ozt silver bars. I had about 200 of them & put them up for sale on Creags list here in NY. I put them up about 5 weeks ago for $4.00
    above spot. I only sold about 20 of them. So I’m not so sure if this shortage is really real. E-bay is just way to expansive.
    If anyone is intersted you can e-mail me. I have an office in midtown NY
    kahanj at optonline.net
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  • Oct 30 09:16 AM

    Selling 20 of them in Craigslist is pretty good. People just don’t go there looking for bullion. I have heard of people who listed it there and got no response.
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  • Oct 30 10:27 AM

    The premiums on 100 oz bars frankly make no sense to me. 100 oz bars are not particularly convenient either for storing wealth or for use as a medium of exchange. One ounce gold coins and bars have comparable purchasing power but are much more convenient. 1000 oz silver bars trade at much lower prices. I can only assume that the people buying the 10 and 100 oz products are simply looking for whatever’s available.

    There’s another very important factor at work here, however. Because you are looking at eBay, you must extract the live.com 25% discount. When Microsoft began offering cash back on purchases at certain merchants to boost their search engine’s market share, eBay was, and remains as far as I can tell, part of the program. At that time, canny sellers of metals products immediately added a similar amount to their prices. In effect, 2500bp of that premium is being paid by Microsoft. But this still does not explain the 20-25% premiums on 100 oz silver products.

    The real reason to buy silver is to have a convenient medium of exchange for ordinary goods in a scenario in which the dollar or other fiat money is no longer valued or accepted at anything like its current price. Gold has too much purchasing power for this purpose, so one needs somewhere between a few dozen and a few hundred one ounce silver coins, or perhaps a similar amount of old coin of the realm containing silver. 100 ounce bars do not serve this purpose at all, so the premium is inexplicable